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blue_crush

Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Range Finders or Skycaddies

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how many out there uses these types of devices...
I often hear guys say there of no use to them cause they can't hit the right distances anyway.
I say thats how you get better guys, you learn what to hit and when to hit it.
I loved my Bushnell then I got my Skycaddie and can't even imagine playing without it now. it saves me on the guess work all the time and is just like having a tour caddy for sure. whats your thoughts on them.
 
kidputter

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject:

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I use the GOLF GURU. Very similar to the SkyCaddie but half the cost and no subscription fees. It also keeps track of FIR, GIR, and SCORE. golfgurugps.com

Got it in April. Handicap dropped 7 strokes since then. Absolutely worth every penny.
 
ForeKris

Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: SkyCaddie

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My wife bought me the skycaddie for christmas 07. i love the thing, and will never play without it.

Pro: The 4-star courses are professionally walked and charted. the 1-start through 3-star courses are marked by owners with their skycaddie. The company doesn't use google maps (or other) to chart a course. i find it to be more acurate (2-3 yards) then my friends GolfGuru.
Con: You can not track your game with it. however, i use http://mobile.oobgolf.com between holes.
 
SingleDigits

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Nikon Rangefinder

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Quick summary: if you're ok with getting the distance to the center of the green and not the precise yardage to the pin, then a GPS is a lot easier to use (You have to learn to hold the rangefinder steady). Higher handicaps are probably not affected by the minor inaccuracies of a GPS. Generally lasers are a bit cheaper than a GPS.

I posted this on another site about a month ago:

I recently purchased the Nikon 800 rangefinder new for $250 on eBay, and it's great to know the exact distance to the flag. Nikon sells an identical version of this model under the Callaway brand for $425 list.

Note that the 800 has two modes: First Target Priority and Distant Target Priority. FTP means that it will pick out the closest target of items grouped together. This is the mode you want for golf since you want to pick out the pin and not the trees behind the pin. DTP is more often used for hunting (i.e. get the deer, not the brush in front of the deer). Moreover, the default mode for the 800 is DTP, so golfers have to read the manual and switch it over (takes 5 seconds or less once you know how to do it). In the Callaway version I'm guessing FTP is the default mode.

I'm also familiar with mapping/surveying and even with WAAS a GPS reading can be +/- 2 to 3 meters. Here's one study: http://users.erols.com/dlwilson/gpswaas.htm. That does not include the potential error when surveying the course. So if the actual survey was 3m off and your reading is 3m off you could potentially be off 6m or 6.5yards. That could be the difference between a short and a long putt. Finally, with GPS you're not getting the pin, just center of the green.

I've been able shoot pin placements up to 270 yards away and probably longer if I steady the Nikon on my golf bag, etc. So a GPS device is definitely easier to use (as long as you don't mind paying annual subscription fees and downloading courses before you play). With Nikon you do have to hold it steady (or use the scan mode which gives you a continuous read out). With scan mode you just have to learn to toss out the extraneous readings. For example, if I think I'm about 170 yds out, I'll toss out the 210 yd and 225 yd readings (those are the trees) and go with the 167 yd measurement.

Summary:

Laser pros: no annual subscription, no course downloads, gets exact measurement to the pin, not the center of the green. I think a laser is more durable (for example, the Nikon is waterproof). I also think the laser uses less power (fewer battery changes) -- the GPS needs to be in pretty constant contact with multiple satellites.

GPS pros: easier to read, don't have to see the green to get a reading, gives you multiple readings at the same time (and a laser rangefinder may have difficulty seeing the back of the green, for example).

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After using the Laser for a month, I guess I'd carry both if price were not an issue. Lasers are great for absolute precision to the pin (not the center of the green), but sometimes you can't see the green and need a layup distance. To fudge it, I'll shoot the distance to the 200 yd marker and then figure out my layup distance.

p.s. here's a program you download to your phone or PDA: www.starcaddy.com. You buy maps one at a time.

p.p.s. the best way to determine the accuracy of your GPS is to team up with someone with a laser (since even yardage markers can be way off). I played a round with a friend who had a GPS. Sometimes he was right on and sometimes he was 5 - 10 yds off because he was getting Center-of-the-Green readings. Let's say the GPS says 170 to the center and it's a blue flag. Do you add 3, 5 or 10 yds?
 
kidputter

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject:

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When using my GURU, I get front, center, and back of green. If there is a back placement I split the difference between the center and the back of the green. Usually accurate within 1-2 yards. At this stage in my game, that's sufficient.
 
falcon50driver

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject:

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I'd like to know more about GURU. Google wasn't a lot of help.
 
kidputter

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject:

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golfgurugps.com

Check it out.
 
mschad

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject:

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I use the iGolf GPS. Using the front, center, back reading and knowing where the flag is positioned.... I get a good shooting point. My game isn't that good to need exact pin placement distance. And you don't have to subscribe to their service and download courses, you can map you own. Granted it takes a round to get all points in, but no big deal. It definately teaches you the distance you hit your clubs. Great fun with it so far!
 
SingleDigits

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: accuracy

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Kidave: how do you know you're accurate to 1 - 2 yds?
 
kidputter

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject:

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My accuracy is verified by physically pinpointing the flags several times over many rounds. Also, comparison with SkyCaddie and iGolf GPS. They are all pretty close.
 
falcon50driver

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject:

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Best I can tell, the golf guru can hold 20 downloaded courses, That's better than the only 10 available with my skycaddie. But while searching google I noticed a Golf Buddy which advertises 20,000 courses already loaded. The biggest problem I have with my sky caddie is not having the course I arrive at, loaded in the thing. Either because I forgot to put it in, or changed the course I wound up playing for other reasons. Even if you have your laptop with you it takes 30 minutes to change the course folder out. Anybody familiar with the Golf Buddy?
Kickntrue

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject:

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I'm very intersted in this topic as well. I'm thinking about asking for one or the other for xmas. I've alwasy been under the assumption that the "Real golfer" goes for the laser.

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ForeKris

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: My Vote is for SkyCaddie

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as stated in my previous post...
The 4-star courses are professionally walked and mapped. the 1-star through 3-star courses are marked by owners with their skycaddie. The company doesn't use google maps (or other) to chart a course. i find it to be more acurate (2-3 yards) then my friends GolfGuru.

Can anyone confirm how the other companies surevey?
 
pikapp23

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject:

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I play the iGolf Neo GPS system and have found it makes a huge difference. I'm a 10.x handicap and the difference has been that now I know distance to front and back as well as middle. However, the biggest improvement for me since purchasing GPS has been with my partial swing distances. I can look at the distance to front/middle/back when hitting that 75 yard shot (to middle) and have a much better idea of how to swing, especially when course/weather conditions are different. I still have to hit the shot, but at least most of the guesswork that leads to uncertainty has been reduced, helping me be more committed to the shot.
Kickntrue

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject:

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bump

http://oobgolf.com/content/reviews/1-2301-Leupold_GX_Golf_Rangefinders.html
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