There are some courses that feature 2 greens on 1 hole. Rule 25-2? says if your ball lands on a wrong putting green, you drop the ball off the green. If you`re playing one of those holes that have 2 greens, does this rule apply when your shot lands on the green not containing the fkag?

Yes. The green with the hole (and flagstick) that you are playing to is the 'right' green. Anything else is a Wrong Green.

Rulesman: you are usually pretty up on the rules, and I've learned a lot from you. But are you sure this is correct? I could have sworn I heard somewhere that the "wrong" green is defined as the green that is for a different hole. Even if a hole has two separated putting surfaces, it is still considered one green. Seems kind of strange to take such a large area up by the hole out of play completely.

I just played a course last week which has a double green (if that is what we are talking about). It serves both the 9th and 18th holes. Two separate pins. The ninth flag is always to one half and the 18th is always cut in the other half. However, if you are playing the 18th and land your approach on the green and it rolls over to the 9th side, you are still allowed to putt, without penalty (even though it may be over 100 ft. or more). There is no defining line denoting one side from the other. Just two flags always far apart.

I was kinda of assumeing that player was talking about two greens for the same hole. Where maybe the course is building a new green or maybe just have two greens for more ways to challage the league players or something of the sort.

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metnorm wrote:

]I was kinda of assuming that player was talking about two greens for the same hole. Where maybe the course is building a new green or maybe just have two greens for more ways to challenge the league players or something of the sort.[

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I agree with metnorm that the situation described talked about 2 greens as opposed to a double green. Several courses in SE Michigan feature two greens (why I can't really say) and if you hit to the one without the hole and flagstick, you drop off the green under the "wrong green" procedure.

A double green is one contiguous green and just because you are on the wrong end of it does not allow one relief.

As the OP said there were two greens on one hole I assumed that one was in play and that there was another (winter or temporary green) out of play.

However if he meant a double green then the answer is a bit more complicated.

Usually such greens are one contiguous (nice word) surface with two holes cut for two different holes. In which case it is all treated as one green and relief would be available if the hole for the hole not being played interfered with the putt.
Sometimes such greens are divided by a painted line, in effect producing two greens. In this case the green not in play for the hole is a wrong green.

Now someone will say that my argument is full of holes

I thought he meant a hole for which there are two greens, both in play but only one with a hole.

I've run into this maybe two or three times. Most recently, it was a course in Minnesota called Wildfllower. One of the holes actually has two greens that are terraced with a steep two foot step in between them. There is no way to putt from the bottom green to the top green, but you can putt from the top green to the bottom green. Another course I saw this was, I believe, in Sauk Center, MN. One hole actually has two different greens where they alternate the pins between. In both of these cases, which green the pin is located on severely changes the strategy and layout of the hole. However, my understanding has always been that unless the local rules specify otherwise, your ball is in play if it is on either green regardless of where the hole is.

Now Wildflower used to have a second hole with two greens, but they have since converted the middle area between the greens to a putting surface since so many divots were taken out of the one green. However, I think the reason for that was because of the fact that the layout of the hole, a long par 3, caused a lot of players to hit the wrong green on a regular basis.

These 'two' greens. Are they one continuous putting length surface (particularly the two level) or are they separated by longer grass?
ie are they one big surface or two surfaces?

If they are two separate surfaces, the one without a flagstick is a wrong green.

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Rulesman wrote:

]If they are two separate surfaces, the one without a flagstick is a wrong green.[

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I disagree here. Read the definition of "Putting Green" carefully:
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The "putting green" is all ground of the hole being played that is specially prepared for putting or otherwise defined as such by the Committee. A ball is on the putting green when any part of it touches the putting green.
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It talks about []the[] putting green, not []a[] putting green. And []the[] putting green covers all ground of the hole that is specially prepared for putting.

Thus, without one of them being marked as anything else than a putting green, both areas are part of []the []putting green and thus there is no "wrong" putting green here.

This is the main reason why we always define the winter greens as GUR when not in use (and vice versa).

I do feel however that a course providing a putting green that is split into levels from which one cannot be reached from the other by putting should not be taken seriously. Such a feature is nice for putty-putt or midget-golf, not for "true" golf.

I have just this minute received confirmation from the R&A that the green not in use is a Wrong Green.

Jev: your wording reminded me of a movie, Fight Club.


It talks about [[]]the[[]] putting green, not [[]]a[[]] putting green. And [[]]the[[]] putting green covers all ground of the hole that is specially prepared for putting.

Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "a dildo", never … your dildo.

On a grammatical note.
'The' is a determinant. There can only be one of it.

Exactly my point: "there can be only one!" (I've heard that before too ). I based my observation about the use of the words 'the' and 'a' on the chapter "How to use the rulebook" which is part of the introduction. It contains the following:
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Understand the Words
The Rule book is written in a very precise and deliberate fashion. You should be aware of and understand the following differences in word use:
may = optional
should = recommendation
must = instruction (and penalty if not carried out)
a ball = you may substitute another ball (e.g. Rules 26, 27 and 28 )
the ball = you must not substitute another ball (e.g. Rules 24-2 and 25-1)
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Note the specified difference between "a ball" and "the ball".

The point is that if the are two areas specially prepared, only one can be []the[] green. The other is a wrong green.

Grammar aside, that is what the Ruling Bodies say.